Rohirrim VS Myrmidons

[JackBauer]

I know its another LOTR vs TROY thread but let this be just a battle thread please.

Both sides have great warriors. Now i leave out their leaders (Eomer & Achilles) since it wouldn't be fair, i think Achilles alone is just too strong for them.

Who would win in a battle, the Myrmidons or the Rohirrim?

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[Brock Landers]

Rohirrim


Strength in numbers and horseriding skill.

[Doomsday]

I'll go with Rohirrim since they killed all those orcs, yet that doesn't say much because orcs suck ass at fighting.

[dustindame]

Rohirrim

[Boro]

doesnt matter.

[Necross]

Hmm.....the flames are getting higher...must be all the fanning....

[Boods]

rohirrim

[PsYkOoOoO]

Rohirrium.

[adt100]

The Rohirrim of course, everytime. And why? Because they're cavalry!

[Andrey83]

Well, since we are not talking about big in numbers i have to go with Myrmidons. They are the elite troops and would easily slaughter a whole division of rohirrim :)

(dont get me started, i like LOTR more, but from obsession to fact)

Myrmidons was the best of the best.

[Tornado]

Originally posted by JackBauer
Both sides have great warriors. Now i leave out their leaders (Eomer & Achilles) since it wouldn't be fair, i think Achilles alone is just too strong for them.

LOL, BS man. There's no way that Achilles could take down the whole bunch.

The Rohirrim are fighting for freedom and their survival while the Myrmidons are fighting to conquer. The Rohirrim have a better cause than the Myrmidons, they'd fight with passion.

My vote goes to the Rohirrim.

[adt100]

Originally posted by Andrey83
Well, since we are not talking about big in numbers i have to go with Myrmidons. They are the elite troops and would easily slaughter a whole division of rohirrim :)

(dont get me started, i like LOTR more, but from obsession to fact)

Myrmidons was the best of the best.

I'm not basing my opinon on anything to do with my personal preference or my views of the films, but on simple logic and the realities of warfare.

Are we talking about similar numbers od Rohirrim and Myrmidons or what? Because it warfare an experienced cavalry will outdo ANY foot soldiers, and typically will be able to take on far greater numbers.

Without the horses, in one on one combat, I'd probably choose the Myrmidons, but unless we are talking about the Myrmidons vastly outnumbering the Rohirrim then the Rohirrim would triumph every time.

[Andrey83]

I was thinking the same number. But you know, the Myrmidons was like special forces. With their tactics and ways of combat they could easily take out the same number, even if they where on horses. Using formations and spears they would have wooped them :)

[JackBauer]

Originally posted by Andrey83
Well, since we are not talking about big in numbers i have to go with Myrmidons. They are the elite troops and would easily slaughter a whole division of rohirrim :)

(dont get me started, i like LOTR more, but from obsession to fact)

Myrmidons was the best of the best.

hands down. thats just what i'm thinking.

[JackBauer]

Originally posted by Tornado
LOL, BS man. There's no way that Achilles could take down the whole bunch.

The Rohirrim are fighting for freedom and their survival while the Myrmidons are fighting to conquer. The Rohirrim have a better cause than the Myrmidons, they'd fight with passion.

My vote goes to the Rohirrim.

probobly not the whole Rohirrim but he'd definetly kill a big part of them. lets be realistic, you've seen what he has done to the men on the beach. don't deny that fact, no matter how bad you think Troy was.

I think the Myrmidons have the same great passion (Immortality!) as the Rohirrim, but this is not what i was asking...my question was about the fighting and tactic skills. and the Myrmidons were just the better men imo. they would win! although the Rohirrim were something i liked about LOTR.

its inevitable that people who didn't like Troy and are LOTR fans will vote for the Rohirrim just like that, not caring about the question of the thread, which side would win in a battle?

i think the Rohirrim could have a chance in a battle with horses on open field. but somewhere in the woods, the beach or just an attack...they wouldn't survive since the Myrmidons just look stronger to me. after all they took the poseidon temple and a part of the beach with less than 50 men.

[Tornado]

I liked Troy a lot Jack. I didn't look at the battle at it being a blindside. If it was that then I would imagine that the Myrmidons would win. But on an open field (without Achilles or Eomer) the Rohirrim would win I think.

IMO there's no bigger passion that fighting for your survival. People do very brave things in the face of death. If the Myrmidons showed up acting cocky and such, the Rohirrim would completely demolish them IMO.

[adt100]

Originally posted by Andrey83
I was thinking the same number. But you know, the Myrmidons was like special forces. With their tactics and ways of combat they could easily take out the same number, even if they where on horses. Using formations and spears they would have wooped them :)

Unless the Rohirrim cavalry were extremely weak and incompetent (which of course they weren't), then they wouldn't. It's just the way of battle.

[Boro]

i highly doubt these Myrmidons were the best of the best (well maybe they were at the time). i havent seen the movie but from the pic given it doesnt look like they were even able to utilize a phalynx. whether or not the rohirrim could have beaten them they would have gotten their asses kicked by the spartans

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by boromir-pso
i highly doubt these Myrmidons were the best of the best (well maybe they were at the time). i havent seen the movie but from the pic given it doesnt look like they were even able to utilize a phalynx. whether or not the rohirrim could have beaten them they would have gotten their asses kicked by the spartans

I'm not talking about just the movie. I'm talking about how they where.....(according to the legend of cource)

[adt100]

Originally posted by boromir-pso
i havent seen the movie but from the pic given it doesnt look like they were even able to utilize a phalynx.

Once they got off the ships they weren't actually too bad at utilizing a phalynx. I doubt they'd have fared too well against a well organised Roman army though, and certainlyt not against a well-armed cavalry.

[Andrey83]

Well, the roman army was much later and they had way much better weapons armor and equipment. Its like saying that achilles wouldnt do good agains a Navy Seal :p

[Boro]

the spartans werent too much later tho.



wasnt the first organized cavalry even after the romans?

[adt100]

Originally posted by Andrey83
Well, the roman army was much later and they had way much better weapons armor and equipment. Its like saying that achilles wouldnt do good agains a Navy Seal :p

Not really, the difference in this respect wasn't so great.

Besides, when we're talking about the Rohirrim you'd have to say that they would be later in date.

[Andrey83]

well. true. The rohirrim would be around year 200-300 or something I would guess.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by boromir-pso
the spartans werent too much later tho.



wasnt the first organized cavalry even after the romans?

No the Persians had cavalary. But they mostly used Elephants. But many had cavalery.

Also the romans had cavalry.

[krazy_marco74]

Myrmidons!!!

[fineus fog]

rohirrim
they enter the battle of pelennor fields ready to die for what they believe in!!!!
whereas the myrmidons though being incredibly tuff (and they dress in black which is way cool in my books) are fighting for glory and to be talked about through all time which sounds incredibly arrogant when you really think about it

[JackBauer]

Originally posted by fineus fog
rohirrim
they enter the battle of pelennor fields ready to die for what they believe in!!!!


at least the Myrmidons all fight for a man they know and one that is close to them, they don't go to die on order of the king. I'd never fight for country, kings, and other men's believes. only for freedom and myself...thats why i sympathize the Myrmidons more. ;)

though i wouldn't fight for glory, i love peace. but IMMORTALITY sounds realy cool :D ;)

[DolAmroth]

Eomer's company was like atleast 100 riders. Myrmidons was only 50 men the Rohirrum would slaughter them in battle

[JackBauer]

ok. :rolleyes:

wasn't there an army of hundrets of soldiers at the beach....suddenly lying on dead on the sand...man you people just underestimate them.

and don't think of numbers!

[DolAmroth]

Well Achillies even said u are the 50 bravest men i know. Are u only talking about Achilles men on his boat or all the men that attacked the beach.

[JackBauer]

lol, 50'000 men attackt the beach, would be too much even for the great Rohirrim. i'm talking about the 50 Myrmidones. but numbers mean **** to me.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by DolAmroth
Eomer's company was like atleast 100 riders. Myrmidons was only 50 men the Rohirrum would slaughter them in battle

actually that is wrong. Achilles had 50 ships with 50 men.

[Kinjo]

::Myrmidons hop off boat and charge Rohirrim::


::Eomer rides in and slaughters them all::


::end of fight::

[The Moose]

rohirrim

[adt100]

Well if we're only talking about 50 Myrmidons (which I presume is incorrect) or even 2500 (50 ships of 50), then against the 6000 spears of the Rohirrim, the Myrmidons would have NO CHANCE whatsoever!

You may not care for numbers Jack, and indeed in warfare numbers are far from the most important factor, but when we're talking about an organised, disicplined, experienced cavalry, then there's simply no way in a million years that even 2500 foot soldiers, however great, could triumph.

I'm talking about this from a historical (ie factual) and logical standpoint, rather than which army I prefer, think are cooler, or are better in one to one combat.

[PsYkOoOoO]

The mighty adt100 speaks once more!!

All hail adt100!!

[JackBauer]

lol, and once again i disagree! i surely prefer the Myrmidons every time over the Rohirrim. but their are good warriors too.

just if they jump down of their horse and fight like they'd have to fight(no spear, no horse)...they'd lose :)
sure we're talking about different conditions, like the strength of armour, the horses, the outnumbering, but if the Myrmidons would ever have to storm a beach where the Rohirrim keep their asses sitting and waiting(no horses)...LOL, they'd be slaugtherd just like the poor trojans, HARHAR :D

[Tornado]

Originally posted by JackBauer
man you people just underestimate them.

I think you're underestimating the Rohirrim here.

[adt100]

Originally posted by JackBauer
lol, and once again i disagree! i surely prefer the Myrmidons every time over the Rohirrim. but their are good warriors too.

just if they jump down of their horse and fight like they'd have to fight(no spear, no horse)...they'd lose :)
sure we're talking about different conditions, like the strength of armour, the horses, the outnumbering, but if the Myrmidons would ever have to storm a beach where the Rohirrim keep their asses sitting and waiting(no horses)...LOL, they'd be slaugtherd just like the poor trojans, HARHAR :D

Well, we agree at leat about TDAT I think!

Anyway, stop changing the argument. We're talking Rohan cavalry against Myrmidons foot soldiers, not 'ambushes', or if the Rohirrim were on foot. The Rohirrim would undoubtedly win any battle on an equal open field fight.

[JackBauer]

Well then...

[LordofKings]

The Rohirram: There charge would be just too difficult to stop, and they would just run over their enemy.

Achilles would be killed quickly against a Rohirram Charge (no offense Jack) but this is not the same as it was in Troy. 5 Horses charging at Achilles would surely kill him, as Horses are faster then him, and plus how would he stop several horses, its much different then stopping men charging at you on foot

[JackBauer]

he would turn a somersault, cut off their legs...riders would fall down. he would spike them, cut their troath and throw his sword...in other words he would kill them before they realize that they're lying on the ground....of course its just my fantasy :D

[LordofKings]

Yeah, i could see him doing that to one or two horses, but in a charge, if he rolls, he DONE....lol

[JackBauer]

well i'd say it would be spectacular to see that....i'm very curious HOW they would kill an immortal. they don't even know about his heel...only the gods knew his weak point,...but since there are no gods in the movies he looks mortal

[adt100]

Originally posted by JackBauer
he would turn a somersault, cut off their legs...riders would fall down. he would spike them, cut their troath and throw his sword...in other words he would kill them before they realize that they're lying on the ground....of course its just my fantasy :D

You have fantasies involving Brad Pitt? Well, that explains it then. ;)

[LordofKings]

Yeah, very true, maybe a lucky arrow;)

But in Troy they never made it clear as if he was immortal or not. I've read the Illiad so i know, BUT, in Troy they never said he couldn't die (something i think was a good change)

[obsessedwithsnl]

any well organized cavalry would totally trample any on foot troop...no competition

[bigmanjg225533]

achilles would throw a spear at eomer and then the rohirrim would lose their heart

[adt100]

:lol:

[bigmanjg225533]

and if it were and even match say 6000 myrmidons vs 6000 rohirrim i think the myrmidons would win

[adt100]

You should read up a little more on warfare I think. ;)

[JackBauer]

Originally posted by adt100
You have fantasies involving Brad Pitt? Well, that explains it then. ;)

now you caught me ;)

[JackBauer]

Originally posted by bigmanjg225533
achilles would throw a spear at eomer and then the rohirrim would lose their heart

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[JackBauer]

Originally posted by adt100
You should read up a little more on warfare I think. ;)

i think he's right :p

[Necross]

Originally posted by JackBauer
at least the Myrmidons all fight for a man they know and one that is close to them, they don't go to die on order of the king. I'd never fight for country, kings, and other men's believes. only for freedom and myself...thats why i sympathize the Myrmidons more. ;)

though i wouldn't fight for glory, i love peace. but IMMORTALITY sounds realy cool :D ;)

Oh yes, thats it, they only fight because the king told them too. They have as much respect, love, and loyalty to Theoden as the Myrmidons have for Achilles. There is no question that they both have reasons to fight and die. Don't try to discredit their reasons because the Rohirrim are winning.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by LordofKings
The Rohirram: There charge would be just too difficult to stop, and they would just run over their enemy.

Achilles would be killed quickly against a Rohirram Charge (no offense Jack) but this is not the same as it was in Troy. 5 Horses charging at Achilles would surely kill him, as Horses are faster then him, and plus how would he stop several horses, its much different then stopping men charging at you on foot

Just abit of info. The charge in ROTK could never happen in real life. I love it, think it is cool etc. But just so you know it. Its an impossible charge.

Also (from a historical view) horses never charged into a wall of spears. They would stop/throw their master of etc... They wherent stupid. That was often the problem with heavy cavalery against a well trained foot army. Long spears. Of cource, Many would die, on both sides. But the outcome is not as easy to predict as "the rohirrim had horses".

And also the rohirrim just keep running over all the orcs in ROTK would never happen either. A heavy cavalery would probably (in no spears) be able to crush the 3-4 front rows. Then the attack would slow down and they would have to engadge in sword to sword combat. Of cource, the rohirrim would have one advantage here. Elevated position.

But as this example was no spears, the outcome with spears would be another. A hard wall of shields and spears would easily make maybe 30 % of the front horses to just stop, refuse to ride into its own death. Many would then be killed by the spears, and this would create a wall of dead horses and people, meaning the charge would stop. This will again enable spear-throwers and archers of the footsoldiers to take out many people from range.


Bottom line, at the time, a higly skilled and trained army was often seen defeating cavalery. One of the worst things about cavalery was fear. The army would flee when they saw these horses coming against them. But did the Myrmidons have fear? No.

The outcome is very hard to predict, and i am actually not sure myself. But all of you might wanna re-evaluate your stand with this new info.

[Necross]

Not really. Both movies are um....fiction.....we aren't trying to base this on realism. Taken for what they are, the Rohirrim would crush the Myrmidons.

[Andrey83]

? wtf? try to follow mate :)

Yes, we are trying to base this on realism.

All this is based on humans, real people, historical events, people, cultures, things etc. Ergo, there is refferences to Our world.

Besides all others in this thread is using arguments of real world....

And not many seems to know their history, theirs simply just basing their opinion on what movie they like best (not all, but many). IMO they should just shut up instead :)

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by adt100
You should read up a little more on warfare I think. ;)

So should you :p

[Necross]

Originally posted by Andrey83
? wtf? try to follow mate :)

Yes, we are trying to base this on realism.

All this is based on humans, real people, historical events, people, cultures, things etc. Ergo, there is refferences to Our world.

Besides all others in this thread is using arguments of real world....

And not many seems to know their history, theirs simply just basing their opinion on what movie they like best (not all, but many). IMO they should just shut up instead :)

Doesn't matter, Myrmidons are on foot, Rohirrim on horses, even if they can't just run through them they have a major advantage. I think they are evenly matched otherwise, but the Rohirrim would still win.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by Necross
Doesn't matter, Myrmidons are on foot, Rohirrim on horses, even if they can't just run through them they have a major advantage. I think they are evenly matched otherwise, but the Rohirrim would still win.

Ok. you like LOTR more fine :rolleyes:

Thats not the question. Read my post again if you didnt get it.....

The real advantage of heavy calvalery was NEVER a front charge. But a flank charge. To blow the horns "here we are, prepare your spears" would be the dumbest thing ever to do ;)

[Necross]

Again Andrey, you seem to basing your opinion that anyone who picks the Rohirrim simply likes LOTR better. No, I choose them because I believe they would win. And who said they would be doing a front charge against them? They did a front charge at Pelennor fields. There is nothing to say they would do the same in this battle, seeing as we are basing it on reality.

[Andrey83]

Oh, i didnt say that, i just mentioned it.

Again i dont know who to pick. To hard to predict.

And I know, that in every thread like this most people are basing their opinion on what movie is coolest. Not saying you are. I'm saying most people are.

[Necross]

Well thats the thing. I mean almost all of these threads are too hard to predict. The only defining thing is the slight impulse you have to choose your favorite which may have helped me choose, but its like that any way in life. I mean if two people get into a fight and you are best friends with one of them, and both of them are evenly matched. Who would you root for?

[Andrey83]

Finally I found it!!!

There is almost no historical accounts of a cavalery charge surviving a frontal charge against a well trained footsoldier army with spears. They tried many times against the romans (only foot soldiers) but without luck.

An famous example is the battle at Carrae where the heavy armored parthian cataphracts charged the Roman infantry at the start to the battle. Needless to say that they couldn't break through as the Roman lines were dense and ordered.

Such a formation of disciplined men is the best protection against cavalry charges. Even as the infantry was just equipped with pilas, the cavalry did little harm. Against a dense line of spearman it would have ended in an outright disaster...

It even says that cavalery did little harm. Close to none. People seem to think that horses is the best and nothing can do any good against it, but that is historical wrong.

I'm sure ADT can agree on alot of this!

But One of the key weapons of a massed cavalry charge is fear. It's easy on paper to stop a cavalry charge. You and your mates on your flanks need only keep those spears pointed out and your nerves steady. I imagine it took a pile of guts (lol) and discipline to stand there in tight ranks and face down a wall of heavily armored beasts charging at you with the intent to ground you into dust.

So there is my point about the Myrmidons not having fear.

Equal numbers (at least close), the more i read now of historical events, i'm beginning to think that the Myrmidons would slaughter them.


You have Of cource Alexander the Great. But then again. Look at how he did things? was it a charge of cavalery? NO.

Alexander did exploit breaches and breaks in lines. His victories were not the result of line breaking charges but of coordination. It was his mastery of the horse that allowed him to win. Mastery: Knowing both the strenghths and weaknesses. Tactics were "hammer" and "anvil". The cavalry being the hammer, the anvil being the Phalanx. Phalanx would pin, and cavalry would flank. Alexander was not cavalry reliant(he was just good, and cavalry was a exceptional tool).

[JackBauer]

Originally posted by Necross
Again Andrey, you seem to basing your opinion that anyone who picks the Rohirrim simply likes LOTR better.

most people do! i don't think any lotr fanboy would pick the myrmidons, hell most of them even hated troy and just click on Rohirrim without thinking.

the rohirrim would only winn if they'd have machine guns! simple as that.

[Andrey83]

Nah. Thats not true JB. But try to carefully read the post i used a long time writing and you will probably learn a few things you didnt know ;)

[JackBauer]

Nah. I'm not in the mood now to argue with you guys and to check out historic facts. besides your infos are nothing new.

think whatever you want to think! ;)

[Andrey83]

oh thanks alot ****head. Geeez JB. What happend? You usually are a cool guy...Dont come to me and say that you knew everything i wrote. I wont believe it what so ever. And besides, you just said you didnt read it.

(and actually the historical facts was an advantage for your statement)

[JackBauer]

Duno what happend, your smartass-ish post was just on my balls i think!!!

I never said i didn't read your post, wtf are you talking about? And me knowing everything you wrote was never a part of my claims!

geez, you was cool too but now i just see you disperse knowledge!

[Necross]

Originally posted by JackBauer
think whatever you want to think! ;)

This is what everyone does! Yet people still make this thread and try to prove each other wrong when its never going to happen!! No one is going to change their opinion about any of these movies or this choice! It is time!

*gets out thread killing pistol*

[JackBauer]

I didn't make this thread to prove you something!

[Andrey83]

That wasnt my point JB.....i was only asking if something was wrong.....

But ok...i'll shut up. I guess my knowledge is not welcome here.

edit: and check your pm JB.....

[JackBauer]

No, i appreciate your knowledge and your support with the historical facts. but what does the "thats not true" and "you can learn stuff you don't know" mean? Thats what sounded smartass-ish to me. I'm not saying i'm smart, but i don't like beeing treated like an ignorant either.

maybe it was just a missunderstanding but chose who you insult the next time!

[Andrey83]

.......well...read the pm and then reply...

yes, you misunderstood.

"maybe you can learn something" = look the word "maybe" that is the key here. Without it, i would be insulting you. WIth it, i'm just stating that maybe you didnt know, and maybe you could learn something. thats it. no more, no less....

You cant take everything as an isult.

"thats not true" = quote you: "the only way rohirrim would win would be with mashine guns" is said: "thats not true"

this is kinda obvious is it not? if you thought that was an isult, then i understand that you thought that other thing was an isult too.... ;)

so now you know.

[JackBauer]

i'm not that sensitive. and i'm not taking everything as an insult.
the "****head" insulted me. ;)

now you read pm, i appologized for bashing you, but i thought its not realy cool to await an appology. since people should decide on their own if they want or not, character based.

[Andrey83]

Depends what caracter you are :p

[JackBauer]

your PM box knows my character :p

[Andrey83]

Well, to get back to topic :) , i think there is reason to say that without many problems (other then many dead ;) ) the Myrmidons would win.

It has been proved again and again and again in history (an army equal to rohirrim vs. and army equal to the Myrmidons).

One of the few exceptions is Alexander the great, but he didnt only use cavalery. He used alot of infantry and archers. The cavalery he only used as an extra tool.

Conclusion: An Army of cavalery against a wall of spears and shields would only lead to a masacre of the cavalery. There is no doubt.

[JackBauer]

yep, i agree here. :)

[ConnDestn]

lol. I love this stuff. Endless arguements are what message boards are built on!

Pure gold, heh

;)

[UnicornBlood3]

The Rohirrim.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by Necross
This is what everyone does! Yet people still make this thread and try to prove each other wrong when its never going to happen!! No one is going to change their opinion about any of these movies or this choice! It is time!

*gets out thread killing pistol*

The point is not to prove you wrong. And its not about the movies. Its about two armies (from books)

I meen, when i first entered this thread i though no doubt, the Rohirrim would win. Then i started reading and very fast I found out that there is nearly no chance the rohirrim would win. (based on historical events).

Sometimes we are wrong about things, and there is nothing wrong in saying "hmm, maybe i was wrong, maybe it could have happend different".

[adt100]

Originally posted by Andrey83
Just abit of info. The charge in ROTK could never happen in real life. I love it, think it is cool etc. But just so you know it. Its an impossible charge.

Also (from a historical view) horses never charged into a wall of spears. They would stop/throw their master of etc... They wherent stupid. That was often the problem with heavy cavalery against a well trained foot army. Long spears. Of cource, Many would die, on both sides. But the outcome is not as easy to predict as "the rohirrim had horses".

And also the rohirrim just keep running over all the orcs in ROTK would never happen either. A heavy cavalery would probably (in no spears) be able to crush the 3-4 front rows. Then the attack would slow down and they would have to engadge in sword to sword combat. Of cource, the rohirrim would have one advantage here. Elevated position.

But as this example was no spears, the outcome with spears would be another. A hard wall of shields and spears would easily make maybe 30 % of the front horses to just stop, refuse to ride into its own death. Many would then be killed by the spears, and this would create a wall of dead horses and people, meaning the charge would stop. This will again enable spear-throwers and archers of the footsoldiers to take out many people from range.


Bottom line, at the time, a higly skilled and trained army was often seen defeating cavalery. One of the worst things about cavalery was fear. The army would flee when they saw these horses coming against them. But did the Myrmidons have fear? No.

The outcome is very hard to predict, and i am actually not sure myself. But all of you might wanna re-evaluate your stand with this new info.

Sorry to sound arrogant or anything, but that's not quite right on a number of levels. All along I've been basing this on historical grounds, and there's no question as I and others have kept repeating, a well organised and experienced cavalry would defeat a foot army every time, even if the numbers were matched, burt especially if the cavalry had a higher number of soldiers (as in this case).

[adt100]

Originally posted by Andrey83
Finally I found it!!!

There is almost no historical accounts of a cavalery charge surviving a frontal charge against a well trained footsoldier army with spears. They tried many times against the romans (only foot soldiers) but without luck.

An famous example is the battle at Carrae where the heavy armored parthian cataphracts charged the Roman infantry at the start to the battle. Needless to say that they couldn't break through as the Roman lines were dense and ordered.

Such a formation of disciplined men is the best protection against cavalry charges. Even as the infantry was just equipped with pilas, the cavalry did little harm. Against a dense line of spearman it would have ended in an outright disaster...

It even says that cavalery did little harm. Close to none. People seem to think that horses is the best and nothing can do any good against it, but that is historical wrong.

I'm sure ADT can agree on alot of this!

But One of the key weapons of a massed cavalry charge is fear. It's easy on paper to stop a cavalry charge. You and your mates on your flanks need only keep those spears pointed out and your nerves steady. I imagine it took a pile of guts (lol) and discipline to stand there in tight ranks and face down a wall of heavily armored beasts charging at you with the intent to ground you into dust.

So there is my point about the Myrmidons not having fear.

Equal numbers (at least close), the more i read now of historical events, i'm beginning to think that the Myrmidons would slaughter them.


You have Of cource Alexander the Great. But then again. Look at how he did things? was it a charge of cavalery? NO.

Alexander did exploit breaches and breaks in lines. His victories were not the result of line breaking charges but of coordination. It was his mastery of the horse that allowed him to win. Mastery: Knowing both the strenghths and weaknesses. Tactics were "hammer" and "anvil". The cavalry being the hammer, the anvil being the Phalanx. Phalanx would pin, and cavalry would flank. Alexander was not cavalry reliant(he was just good, and cavalry was a exceptional tool).

I don't disagree with the evidence you present, but the point is that the examples you provide are very different to both the Rohirrim and Myrmidons!

1. The Myrmidons (as displayed in Troy), were not the same as the Roman armies, with regard organisation and discipline nor weapons,
2. The Rohirrim did not ride Cataphracts, the nature of their cavalry was completely different,
3. It's all well and good to say that a cavalry wouldn't survive a frontal charge into a row of tightly packed pikemen, but to win a battle you couldn't just have the Myrmidons doing this the whole battle as nothing would ever happen!
4. ALL armies (even the Myrmidons) have fear, to whatever extent (Achilles may have been half immortal, but the rest certainly weren't and they knew it),
5. "Alexander did exploit breaches and breaks in lines. His victories were not the result of line breaking charges but of coordination. It was his mastery of the horse that allowed him to win" Just as the Rohirrim would be considered master horsemen,
6. The Rohirrim still heavily outnumbered the Myrmidons,

You can find as many examples as you like (in books or on the internet) of historical battles involving infantry and cavalry, and I fully maintain that an army such as the Rohirrim would triumph over one such as the Myrmidons.

[adt100]

Originally posted by Andrey83
... I meen, when i first entered this thread i though no doubt, the Rohirrim would win. Then i started reading and very fast I found out that there is nearly no chance the rohirrim would win. (based on historical events). ...


hmmm... why do you think I made that comment in reference to another post with regard 'reading some history'. I haven't come to my conclusions on the basis of what film I like best, or on sheer guesswork (sad as that my sound :D ).

[Andrey83]

Hehe, i guess we just have our different view of history then ;)

(as history have proved again and again. Horses are overrated if not used correctly) :)

And I only used the Romans as an example. It would take to long to use 20 examples ;)

[beyond_th3]

Come on people, the rohirrim took out numerous oliphants, eowyn defeated the witch king and she's not even apart of the army. The rohirrim would crush the myrmidons.

[Andrey83]

Actually elephants (pretty equeal to oliphaunts) never was that good in battle. They where hard to controll, and they often stepped on more of their own people, then the enemy.

but anyway :)